It is impressive what people can accomplish when motivated though but sad. Overall, I hope that this gives you a better insight on the Caribbean School life. Your post has caused me to stop, pause, and think. Question for ya: Are there Caribbean schools for PAs?? The school also offers workshops on different areas as test taking skills, how to deal with anxiety and depression, and how to study for a specific subject. Talk is cheap. Check-in starts at 9.30 a.m. for the optional Admissions Deans' Panel and at 12.30 p.m. for the main Medical School Fair. I also have a Masters in Applied Behavioral Analysis from the Chicago school of professional psychology and I will be publishing my research on paraphilic disorders by the end of august. My name is saron and Im a dreamer who would like to be a great physician and I was wondering if any one would like to help me about the reall truth in caribbean MS because Im really thinking enrolling in it. Residency Placements: 94% of eligible Saba graduates attained residencies between 2019 and 2021, Saba is a fully accredited medical school, I looked at the USMLE stats, match rate, cost and class size and chose Saba. I know like it may seem like, this shouldnt matter because youll be just studying all day, but when youre in med school, any extra sanity is important. Youve met 1.9 GPA no-MCAT med students. Comparison is one of those things that will always make it hard to deal with things that life throws at you. Sorry for the delayed reply Ive been a patient for a good part of my life and there are plenty of US med school grads who still dont have a clue how to treat patients or practice good medicine. Find out as much as you can, speak with students and alumns, and then make a choice to follow that path with open eyes. A classroom can comfortably hold about 35-40 students, yet still, acceptance rate is at an all time high, and currently 65 students are being cramped into one of those classrooms. I cant imagine. Please use paragraphs next time. The AUA coordinator is the WORST person ever. . I have tons of research and Clinical exp as well. You will always be surrounded by many students who arent 100% dedicated and you just need to make sure you separate yourself and focus on studying as much as you can, even if all your friends are all hanging out together. I am envious of current AUC students who can now enjoy a beautiful campus (in my time, the school had just relocated to St. Maarten and was located in an old hotel). I have not started medical school yet in the Caribbean, but I expect it is like anything else: if you work hard you can become a competent physician. First of all, the school accepts way more than they can handle. See, people lie, but numbers dont. Yes, it was hard to adjust to island life (especially the hurricanes!) Compared to most U.S. or Canadian medical schools, Saba is easier to get into. There are no textbooks, no study materials, the lecture hall has a capacity of 200 students but there are 1,000 students (so a good number will be wharfed eventually), there is no electricity to study with, there is no internet, accommodation was always a problem so you might end up squatting in a tiny room with at least 5 people, you get ONE big exam per course at the end of the entire semester (nothing like midterms cos professors are too lazy for that), there are professors who will NEVER award an A regardless of how good a student is, then theres the dean of the department who will announce to the incoming class that they didnt graduate with a first class (magna/summa cum laude) in their time so if youre in this class hoping for such grades, you should dreamless because he does NOT award such in the departmentand a laundry list of other adversities facing medical students in Nigeria yet they prevail and become one of the most brilliant doctors Ive ever seen. I heard theres no way to retain all of that info, so what study skills did you have? Thank you for sharing your story. My advice, like the author of the article, is to do something else for a bit. Cancel your social media profiles. The loans are private and the rates are through the roof. So before applying, you absolutely have to RESEARCH! How much is Saba University School of Medicine? Things were not running the same, at the same pace or according to expectations when not home. Career Highlights. If you finish one academic year you should be grateful to God because most of the students cant even finish the first year because of the poor organization and sometimes academic years are extended for no reason.Currently I am studying biochemistry in the US and I dont want my parents to spend so much money in my medical studies in the US while my younger brothers and sisters will go to college too. Essentially, if you really want to become a physician and are willing to gamble away thousands of dollars of borrowed money and lose your health in the process, then Caribbean medical experience is the place to be! The problem I have with this is that our school allows students to take on 40K per semester of debt just to dismiss them after 4 or 5 semesters if they fall below an overall GPA below a 75% or having a final grade of below 70% in any one class. Our gross anatomy lab, where we spent most of our first semester in, has one of the best views of the beach on the island actually, so dissecting those cadavers wasnt such a bad or scary experience. That is so effed. It is walking distance to the main grocery store and it is literally on the beach. These are the students who started something and are going to finish, even if it means living in a box. Can you please kindly tell me what school you are talking about? In some instances, SJSM will have an instructor that practiced medicine in the US. Tell the truth on attrition rates at a minimum. While I didnt particularly care for the island, it wasnt the hell on earth that hes describing. My friend who was a C average got into Ross through working hard as a scribe. Hello, I just wanted to give my input to give a different perspective. Saba graduates have enjoyed great success in securing residencies. We were both premed/biochem majors from a top undergraduate university whose pass rate for prerequisites were 50%, so were used to being under a lot of what seems to be unfair stress. Bullcrap. crashes. She was the last vestige of the old AUC before DeVry devoured it. You read correctly! I am taking the time to write this because Caribbean schools are not what people think they are, or at least my school is not what everyone says about Caribbean schools. There are some things I hear from students from a certain school, that if you made it here, you will make it anywhere because this school is hard (out of their comfort zone). I am hoping to enter the May 2018 Class. Saba University School of Medicine is one of the world's leading international medical schools, with a more than 20-year history of educating outstanding physicians. Passing scores were raised 3-4 times over the course of 2 years; every time I met the criteria the score was raised. I can agree with just about everything Ive read here! The school accepted its first American applicants in 2001, a year after a delegation from the Congressional Black Caucus, whose leadership included Representatives Bennie Thompson and Barbara Lee, travelled to Cuba and held talks with the Ministry of Education about the need for doctors in rural black communities, and the financial obstacles that make it difficult for low-income and minority students to enroll in American medical schools. Residency: Case Western Reserve, Internal Medicine, Graduate. He read his psychiatry textbooks and tried to ask as many patients to share their experience with their illness as a way to understand. -SABA, this is a school that is alot smaller then the rest so I would like any information you can give me about the school, living condition, water, and why did you or would you pick this school over the others? Do not mess up your life after graduation. The FMGEMS eliminated many of us, before it, itself was eliminated in around 1990. There are terrible emotional and financial consequences when informed consent is lacking as these idealistic humanitarians forge ahead off shore toward their medical degrees. A little bit about me. I go to SJSM. Insurance per semester: $295. I will take it a step further by stating that many of these places, unfortunately, have wicked people who prey on the students due to the perception that they are wealthy foreigners. Please give your reflections, recommendations, regrets, etc. With all due respect to those who are posting, a fast paced curriculum where you need to maintain a 70% is a feature of all medical schools not just those in the Caribbean. . Financially, I did not have resources to finish in 4 years. I am from the US, grew up in rural America and became a mom my senior year of high school. 5) Students who can not self study and teach themselves the material fail. Saba University School of Medicine is a fully accredited medical school. The university receives application from the students at any time of the year, a student can plan in advance to inquire about the status of the classes and Med School program for its application, the Saba University of Medicine Acceptance Rate for each class is approximately 90 students in each. The only time this happens is when the instructor committed a serious crime and got stripped of their license to practice medicine. Say whatever you like, but we were in all the way: Mind, body, soul, money. While all the Campuses (Barbados, Jamaica and Trinidad) offer high quality Medical degrees, I highly recommend the beautiful Cave Hill Campus in Barbados. I want to also study at All Saint uni can you tell me about the school pros and cons and what it takes to study there. While leaving my family/very young children, back home in the States. There were congressional attempts to stem to the tide offshore. Those who make the cut are then recommended to E.L.A.M. Are you a future physician or not; and how are you going to get there? Are current students honest with them during the interview process? In my experience students and faculty leave Saba medical school because it is an extremely stressful place to study and work, and you dont need that amount of stress added to your medical school experience. Many would be surprised to know that the predatory and vicious stories told about Caribbean medical schools also apply to some DO schools (NYIT-COM, being a good example). The world needs doctors, I have friends one that did and one that is doing missions abroad treating patients; its like they do everything a physician does and more than what a physician should do; literally running the hospital trying to save all the lives and being more than a physician but being a nurse, lab tech and more. If the student doesnt comply, the administrations threatens the student with dismissal, so the student has to lose about two thousand dollars to each landlord from which they move. Youll probably hold on for dear life, scraping by until the NBME individual subject exams (standardized) make finishing the program untenable. Its also how your brain is going to force you to think, but if you end up on the island, learn not to dwell on too many thoughts, express them, write them, whatever you do with them, just study. Personally, I think Saba has a lot to offer that perhaps many students first overlook. Today, sixty-four million Americans live in areas where there is only one primary-care physician for every three thousand people. Admissions Rolling admissions. Is that true? The attrition is a very sad reality. I took the information that admissions counselors give me and then I verify it by looking on the USMLE websites, I counted the number of students that got matched against their graduation roster, I also compared all the big four and gathered more information from reputable well researched sites and will make my decision whether to attend St George, SABA, or MUA, University of Arizona, University of Virginia, Harvard Medical, or Johns Hopkins. they are out there. So learn; and to be honest, if you have never been under high stress and want to be a physician; may be you should study abroad and learn some things that will help you mature and grow to develop abilities to deal with the unknown or unexpected. you can sail anywhere you want. They should be clear about their attrition rate. There are waterfalls to jump off of and mountains to hike, and the friends that you make will be the best friends youve ever had in your life. Take ownership. When you shed that, and realize glory is subjectiveyou will find it in any pursuit you embark on. Failure is thinking things will always work the way you want them to. There has to exist a certain desperation to succeed in Medical school which I did not have. Keep it up! I dont know, I could be nave, since Im only in my second year here, but after being here for a year, you kinda have a sense for what is actually going on. ive been doing some research and would like to run it by you before i make my decision on which caribbean school to attend. I registered my car the legal way and had it confiscated at one point-MUCH more aggravation than those that registered as tourists, scraped off the stickers in Brownsville and got new ones. Sgu curriculum built that way. It does help to learn from other people, but dont use that as an opportunity to beat yourself up or beat other people down. Gain work experience, shadow, volunteer, and do a masters first to help strengthen your application. I am from Nigeria and after high school, I moved to the United States for undergrad. Those of you who are considering medicine as a career field need to understand that medical school is perhaps the best part of the training process. Every school cares about money, but they have a good track record from my first-hand observation. So I was determined to make sure I graduated!! They do not have to tell the student. Will anything ever be done about that evil institution? When we unite as a profession to PROTECT one another and not allow our colleagues to fall and be preyed upon we will finally have real health care. The students that I saw who didnt do well were: students who didnt care for medicine and they were simply doing it because it was their last resort, english wasnt their first language, students who got into toxic relationships, and students who put partying before their studies. I attended a school like this in Grenada. Saba is also one of the most estabilished and long running schools in the Caribbean, founded in 1993. Well dive into other aspects of Sabas admissions process in this article. Just come in every three weeks I also attend a caribbean medical school. actually several states have BS to MD programs. Its true though, it depends how I put it, but that was some culture shock there and painful reality. Could you please provide me with your contact or social media profiles. One professor enforced a dress code on exam day. Heidelberg University and Charit in Berlin for example had 3.8% and 5.6% acceptance rates (per Wikipedia), and those clinical programs are ranked very highly (around no. Heck yes its harder than a school in the United States! Ill call you now!! in those days, and sometimes only 10% did at each take. We all end up cramming everything even when we keep up with our studies. Youre totally right! THIS DEGREE IS RECOGNIZED NOWHERE! I thought Id offer a different perspective from a current M2 SGU student, in response to the points made in this post. These are forced attritions, and these Schools must not be allowed to over-induct more than their capacity. Register to our upcoming in-person events and webinars! Saba is know to fail people. Theyre for profit. The author above complains about the lectures being terrible and no guidance is given to students. Hi, Having had THREE loved ones in Same Week: three different states have something basic simpleDEAD due to teams of no speakem englishem experimenting on US Citizenry nothing more need be stated. The tuition is high, before you go in, decide to give your all, but if you dont make it you have already calculated and thought about what you could do to help yourself. Did clinicals in NYCgot accepted to a University Hospital IM residency in the South and now Im applying for fellowship in a competitive field currently with what one would say are a lot of interviews. I have made lifelong friends also. EMTs? I know people that started medical school with grades you never thought anyone could get because medical school is hard, and that ended up getting grades I was like how they do that. If you failed the Are you ready to become a Saba doctor? Thank You for this message. The majority share holder to the school (Baring private equity) pumped 750million into the school a few years ago in order to expanding student resources, supporting our research and undergraduate programs, adding international capabilities, and enhancing our relationships with hospital and university partners. The only truth to this is the enhancing relationship with hospitals. And by relationships they mean the cycle of money to have sgu students go into their residency programs. Im jealous. Go easy on yourself (so you can do well, you cant stress when your work is already stresseing you, thats too much, go easy), and follow your destiny wherever it takes you. Most of you will not get the plum specialtiesonly primary care. If youre someone who has excellent grades and excellent test-taking skills, you will almost guaranteed match after four years. According to Congresswoman Karen Bass, of California, a supporter of E.L.A.M., funding is the main problemparticularly under the current Presidential Administration. a year or so ago I was contacted by a USFMG in Colorado who had gone to the Caribbean and was struggling for an internship. needless to say, thousands thrive, do well on the USMLE and match into competitive residency programs while others fail out or are unable to match in the US. to get it back. We literally teach highs school and early college students about Cardiac and Endocrine embryology. The tuition is less than some of the other Caribbean schools and there is a possibility that you can become a doctor by attending this school. Decelerate twice and you are dismissed. How can it be a 80% attrition rate then. you were given the option to give it a second try, but you had to start all the way from semester one. AUC is getting approved by GMC within the next 4 months fyi. I would just like point out that in order for a Caribbean-based student to become licensed as an MD, he/she has to pass the same exams and survive clinicals the same way U.S. based students have to. Do this and youll become a doctor. So, why are so many students failing or dropping out? But, ALL of the material for Step 1 and 2 is available to you outside of class. Yet, they can effectively describe complex concepts such as cardiac pharmacology and explain to you and their parents about beta blockers etc. But, an MD without USMLE Part II can still get hired as a professor or other biomedical researcher, participate in planning and running clinical trials, and get priority for grants with new terminal degree from the National Institutes of Health and the NIH myriad subsidiary institutes. In reality, a class is divided into two groups, the regular cohort who takes classes in a lecture hall and the one that needs extra help goes to a different building. If things are too much, ask for help or if you really have to, its wise to let go and go to your plan B and C. I hope you dont treat your patients that way! I dont have much but hoping to key in to their loan which I hope would assist me. Every bit of it. Yes, I was a student at a Caribbean medical school. 90% of all graduate schools require a 3.0 GPA to graduate, especially at the doctorate level. If youre considering a Caribbean school, you dont have a GPA that will get you into a proper American school. Its accreditation is with NVAO, the accreditation organization of Netherlands and Flanders. Otherwise, you could listen to the lectures from home. SGU has an attrition rate of less than 10% Again, the stats are available, just look at them on their website. Is there something else related that you would rather do, why do you really want to be a doctor? There is no ugly truth, but hope and that is worth a great deal. By semester 3 they were down to 29, and in the end, only 17 graduated from that batch. The school apart from its fast-paced curriculum expected us all to fill serious gaps of knowledge and pass USMLEs. If they miss even a single day, they get their wages docked. The school's . Perhaps these are rare and extreme occurrences but they are most certainly real. Sounds like a lot has changed. Register to our upcoming in-person events and webinars! I wont go back to doctors that house these brats. The alumni association periodically brings graduates from the US and/or Canada to the school to talk about tips for residency, how to adapt in our transition when we return to the USA for clinicals, and how to study for USMLE, among other topics. Since its founding, more than 2500 students have earned their medical degree at Saba. Saba students earn top residencies at medical centers across the US and Canada. 3) There are not enough dorms on campus to house this many students. Instead, he applied himself and has a science post grad degree. Saba, like all Caribbean med schools, probably wont make you as competitive as a student who graduates from U.S. or Canadian medical schools. I can tell by the description. The rumor was that the school was planning on setting up a for-profit quiz bank that would make money for the owner of the school. AUA should have built new library instead. They have campuses located in the US that I am able to attend live lectures at. May be for US medical schools are better, but I didnt feel that way about High schools. I share your vision and believe in your work. I prefer to go to the beach, go hiking, or to a resort after an exam, than going to a bar in NYC during the wintertime. I think sometimes parents put incredible expectations on our children that create a lot pressure on them without realizing it. Kissing Butt worked. I wondered if you might have any suggestions, contacts for me where I could utilize my medical background without a license. Dont kill someone elses dream because you cant reach your own. Fall semester ends before Christmas dont start up again until February, BUTFinal exams in January?!? If students do choose this route, they must prepare an emotional support team, an exercise plan for keeping body and mind healthy, and perhaps a mentor to help get adapted to the school. Saba University School-Medicine - Reviews 5.0 Written by an Indeed User on August 28, 2021, 04:31 PM Other Comments Good certification. Now that is a question that I still do not have an answer for, I mean had I not gone I would have never of met the amazing people who I know call friends. A lot of things the OP mentioned are things that are common to a lot of medical schools, not just Caribbean med.schools (and it sounds like he attends one of the big fours). International students wishing to do so often look at 1-2 years of preparation in addition to the program one year of language training and language exams to pass the C1-level exam, and one year of preparation courses for physics/ chemistry/ biochemistry/ molecular biology etc. I could not score less than an 80 in any course or I would have been placed on academic probation. Am currently doing housejob in Nigeria. Its equipped with a nice and big gym that is located in front of the schools beach. They spoke with the faculty and were told that nothing could be done and that if students didnt write the questions that they would have grades taken off their other work as a punishment for not writing the questions. 1) Students are literally mashed into a lecture hall which seats 900 and there are over 1000 students that must click in for mandatory lecture which is 80% of all lectures. SGU is overflowing with FREE tutoring options, so this claim particularly perplexed me. Determination is bs. Surely some of the Caribbean schools are not so morally bankrupt. If you dont mind Ill like to talk to you as regards getting an MD degree in the Caribbean. Now most of student who is from where I m (California ) go for some Linkage program and fees for that is 60K. The legalities with her accident and death and a lawsuit that ensued, impassioned me to go a different path. Yes. paupers graves. The programme is not restricted to race or ethnicity research it. A second chance is not often offered in life. I graduated for American University of the Caribbean. Substandard living conditions and overcrowded campuses are another matter. SGU is not for people who want to become doctors but dont have the academic prowess to make that happen. Mind you, your choice of residency is skewed a bit coming down here, but again there are ways to work your way through internal medicine and find a fellowship of your choice, it is just a tougher and longer road. Does anyone have any reviews on UMHS is St.Kitts? However, statistics on how many of the students that start the program and those that finish is dismal. From adequate student support systems, to ombudsmans to hear student pleas or act as support and defenders in events like the ones i dealt with. Its now being run in such a way that I would highly recommend students look elsewhere. Any medical school, or anything related to the high demands of medicine, dont get started in unless you think about healthy ways to handle stress; and unless you think of what else is more important; like your life. However, I will not mention its name because I have seen others in this comment section malign and accuse others of being paid or asked by the school to do this. I am a third year of AUA student. That said if you think you can cut it try a walk in these kids shoes if you dare. https://www.idealmedicalcare.org/blog/bambi-syndrome/. one building three stores not large enough to fit all med1s but something to brag about in their brochures I guess. If you dont like dealing with problems that you are not used to, please the Caribbean is not for you. Those who kiss butt and run the projector in Anatomy got an automatic pass. However we will get rid of those soon, while Caribbean schools will keep on going and churning out poorly educated MDs or failing hopefuls. To answer your question, the new curriculum change was adapted only 2 years or 4 semesters ago so major changes are still happening. But I am working hard and chasing a dream, certainly. If you dont capitalize on it, its not anyones fault but your own. I do not. I am almost one year post-Grenada (doing my clinical rotations in the U.S.) and I still have recurring nightmares of failing out of SGU (with 200,000+ of debt). In essence, the class is composed of repeaters and non repeaters. Youll see all the positivity in the brochures and the information sessions but I can promise you its a very different experience at least when youre on the island. Saba is also one of the most estabilished and long running schools in the Caribbean, founded in 1993. Their profiles are openly available on sgu.edu, just check them out. Students are used to having brilliant or at least decent professors. There is housing for the majority of us, and even if students dont get housing, there are many buildings and houses right outside the school that we can rent. It not a well appreciated or respected field. NY, Canada, etc) you can receive more. If one falls below 80% attendance they are automatically failed in the course. Two years will fly by. The Caribbean is high-risk but SGU gives you your best shot. It is stressful but it is ALL ABOUT WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT!!!! From my research, students who wish to study medicine but do not get in, oftentimes apply to English-language programs in Poland, Hungary, or Romania to study medicine there (if they can afford it) and then get their degrees validated by the EU as MD-Romania for example. Here is my 2 cents: The goal of this post is to provide prospective medical students with some information that will likely not be volunteered to you by the admissions office of the school. At the end you want to become a physician and if you have the chance to do it, then take the opportunity. Can you imagine going through the stress and rigors of medical school while having to be constantly thinking about the $300,000 in med school loans PLUS any undergraduate loans, WHILE worrying about your own school turning on you, WHILE worrying about whether your land lord is going to extort you or not, WHILE worrying about getting beaten, raped, murdered, detained by corrupt law enforcement or just plain sick without reliable access to healthcare? Sign up for free IELTS webinars and prep material, Saba University School of Medicine, As with anything, proceed with caution. My starting class began with 1100 students, we are down to 650, meaning 59 percent of my class that I started the first day here with are still here to finish off our second year. Would I do it again? None of that is good enough to get into a US medical school though. unfortunately, these students are left with debt and broken hearts. Its not worth being angry about that stuff for too long, people dont run on schedule sometimes, like your drivers; while your classes do run on time. We were about 5000 US/Canadian students alone. string you along, be the Grinch that stole Chanukah make you stay for SJSM does not pay their faculty well. I actually went the Mexican route. Student-to-faculty ratio for enhanced personalized attention, of eligible graduates attain residencies (2019-2021)See 2022 residency postingshere. They turn the heat up in term 2/3/4 and have a system of questions and statistics for each question they put on their tests so that they fall within the number of students they need to remain to hit their margins. Its what you make it. They provide us the best campus which is the first thing any students want in their university because we have to spend 4 to 5 years there. I wouldnt want a physician who couldnt maintain a C to work on me or anyone on my family. Thats it. To summarize, you need 3 things to make it in a caribbean medical school: 1) dedication and staying away from distractions 2) finding your learning style and resources 3) teaching yourself to stay disciplined. The fact it has rolling admissions (accepting new students every September, January, and May), is also something that separates from the once-a-year policy of most U.S. and Canadian schools. You wrote very good . The validity of reviews like this is questionable however, especially as posters (in the same thread) commented that these criticisms were true of most med schools (top-tier ones included!). Jan 2020 - Apr 20211 year 4 months. you also can get your ass handed to you even when you dont sleep and just study all the time. The make 85 K/year these days, and it doesnt take Near as long to become one. I spent a lot of time crying!! Education. Extreme measures much? But i think it doesnt mean at all universities are less worthy. Besides meeting the admissions criteria, its as good idea as any to make sure you follow the process as smoothly as you can. I went to Ross and I was dismissed bc I did not want to repeat. I have been a licensed practicing physician for almost 20 years and I have no regrets!! So, if someone that is considering going to medical school overseas, here is real advice: 1. US step score is 224. I totally agree with everything youve stated and Im glad I withdrew when I did because that one semester cost me $30,000. Try being a little less judgmental and have a little more compassion. What year did you apply? Also, they dont even get sick days. We also have free academic tutoring either for a group of up to eight students offered by the school, as well as, one-on-one free tutoring services offered by the honors society in the school. And certainly be assured, the Caribbean medical schools are going to require more from you and your are going to be responsible for your learning. Sabas Step 1 Pass Rate (95%) is also something potential applicants could find reassuring. be in a small town or rural area. The amount of knowledge you are expected to consume and the rate and consistency is so insane. 75% of Sabas students go on to graduate, attain a medical degree and then find residency (usually in internal or family medicine). SGU is the 4th largest source of doctors so what you guys are saying is scaring me! Fewer students from Caribbean med schools go on to the more competitive residencies, Saba included. and, I thought WE had it rough! However, problems arise when the balance between profits and obligations to the students (customers) become heavily skewed in favor of the school, when lying becomes normal and illegal activities occur. It made me so much more perceptive and empathetic to the pain and suffering of others. Ive watched my classmates drop out, semester after semester. I have been hearing that SABA has a small class because a lot of students dont want to go there? You gotta be self-taught a lot of the time even with okay professors. Besides that, the school has 20+ selectives that includes on campus selectives and international trips to shadow physicians in other countries, research opportunities on campus, as well as, research opportunities in other countries. We only have 600 positions open for clinical rotations so 50 more students will have to go this term in order to make the numbers right. They let in about 700 for the January starting class which are on different schedules and have a smaller lecture hall to accommodate a smaller class. The numbers of NPs are increasing and so will our power be. Dont listen to all that, you can succeed in the Caribbean and as an older student. In terms of being a good school that means its one of the best in the region. And to actually get kicked out of this school, you have to fail at least 17 units (so like 1 whole semester), and 90% of the class usually pass most of the classes. I wish I could recommend SJSM to other med school hopefuls. To finalize my comment, no, it is not the end of the world to attend a Caribbean school and I dont believe its fair to stereotype Caribbean schools. When comparing prices to other medical schools in the Caribbean, in my opinion, you get what you pay for. I read this with great interest as a specialist trained in Quebec 35 years ago. What was your final decision? If you military service or are from certain areas (i.e. Many schools in the caribbean give just about anyone a chance but it is up to them to sink or swim. Please your guidance will be very much appreciated. Youre getting a second chance to be a doctor. I would become a NP and forget medical school.. not worth the trouble and headaches. My point is, most likely, I think everyone here is telling a true story. What is the tuition for Nigerian med schools? I counseled what I could before and after seeing this candidates papers; another unrelated position has been found and those years in the Carib are history. When I received my score, I immediately registered to take it again but got the exact same score. That is why Caribbean medical schools offer an alternative. Saba University School of Medicines M.D. Hello came across this page after doing research on Carribean medical school. It is no give me, but the path through a Caribbean med-school will get you there if you are willing to work hard. You see 20% of the beginning class of about 500 moves on to semester two, that is about 100 students the other 30ish students are students that were in semester 2 and had to repeat semester 2 because they did not make it onto semester 3. THIS NEED TO BE CORRECTED . Everything is Catch-22 down there! Most of us elected to do clerkships in the States. May I ask what the tuition is in Nigerian medical schools? I have to repeat, there is some truth in other peoples stories, the good and bad ones. I graduated last fall from undergrad with honors and distinction completing a double major. Its really sad. For example, I got a scholarship of about 40K from my school and Im planning to apply to another one soon. Like do you feel you were placed in a hospital where there was a good amount of patho-physiological diversified cases. Not Guadalajara, but a less well-known one on the Gulf Coast of Mexicoback in the early Eighties. Get out while you still can. Discover where Saba is located. Saba University School of Medicine has rolling admissions. The transportation might be horrible when leaving off campus, should you get a car or even be at a school or house where you need to rely on transport. I reached the clinical level (did great in basic sciences)incurred over 200K in student loan debt. Info came directly from admissions committee. We also have a grocery store on campus. Another major problem is not really getting admission even though student do everything perfect . I matched and Im happy but its not a path Id recommend to just anyone. God bless you! They see this as a business and will seek out every opportunity (legal or not) to make some money. When I was applying to medical school there were so many of my undergraduate friends going off-shore to these schools. I have survived insurmountable obstacles in my life and I have no doubt I will survive medical school in the Caribbean. At Saba - 8am - 5pm. Getting into medical school in Canada is very tough, and less but still tough in the US. They do not post them. My son studys 15 yo 17 hour days. In the United States, you have to actively seek it out.. As for the educational component of the school, the quality of education is variable. I prefer to go to the beach, go hiking, or to a resort after an exam, than going to a bar in NYC during the wintertime. When you finally get out of your unfortunate didactic studies and get into rotations, maybe youll have some more respect for the other members of the healthcare world! In fact, NPs typically get to have far more face-to-face interaction with patients which help them to create more holistic and thorough plans of care for the patient. It really is a giant risk but if it pays off, you will succeed. Also a point of note, the Caribbean medical school accreditation committee includes officials from the Caribbean medical schools a conflict of interest to govern themselves, wouldnt you say? I will continue my research until something is done about this, In the U.S. school with repeat 40% failing rate would be shut down. Current student at AUA. My inner city High school in US was more rough than a Caribbean medical school. Many of us miss our families; we missed family celebrations and parties at our best friends house. All they have succeeded in doing is make medicine a factory job and played into the hands of heartless greedy corporations. I am an FMG. Its going to be extra hard away from your home, culture and where you have your expectations of the way things should run. Getting an MD from a Caribbean school was a valid option maybe two decades ago but the number of residency positions has not increased since that time while the number of new MD and DO schools has. I think it is a huge red flag when even some of your professors are telling you that they feel bad that we the students are being put up through all that. Lets be real we do not need to be so pessimistic. We all have a place at the table. There were only a few cadavers in the anatomy labsdug up from My situation was unique in the sense that I was a nontraditional student married with two kids. Dostoevsky-gutless crap doesnt give a real name because they have no spine. Any advise from experience is very helpful.Thank you. Im having that issue now. So, in these cases, you cant ever refer to your class notes or powerpoints to study to Step 1. I met one that was simply living out a mid-life dream. Plus, I had never taken physics. I believe the wonderful weather and beaches around make our anxiety levels to go down. Please get back to me on your thoughts. They are about to lose their licensure to give NBME exams. Unethical business practices MDs/DOs are in no way more important to the spectrum of healthcare than what advanced practice providers are. As a result, 1200+++ student population versus 750 (number of seats that AUA claims to have- which include desks without chairs, desks with legs bent). I am sorry that you had such a horrible experience. I attended All Saints University of Medicine, St. Vincent and the Grenadines. Saba, which makes up one of the regions big four, stirs up a lot of interest. At schools like Yale School of Medicine, class attendance is not required. Saba University School of Medicine was founded in 1992 with one main mission: to establish an international alternative to U.S. and Canadian medical schools that . These schools need to be INVESTIGATED and full transparency is needed. Saba University School of Medicine is a relatively new school that was first established in 1992. Be blessed. I have seen so many cases were everything was perfect,MCAT score,GPA ,work experience and still,he was placed on the waiting list .You asked yourself ,what more do they want ??? Medical School success is a factor of time allotted, repetition, and efficient studying. It was hell, and they only cared about the money. People do make it to residency, but only a select few. That is after uSMLEs and matching. T&Cs apply. Yes! If you end up being one of the few that graduate from Saba, then it will be because you have enormous outside family support, both financially and emotionally. Not one of our lecturers has even written the USMLE (or any exam similar to it), NOT ONE. Residency, Maine-Dartmouth Family Medicine, In the U.S.* C/O R3 Education Inc. 27 Jackson Road, Suite 301, Devens, Massachusetts 01434, On Saba IslandSaba University School of MedicineP.O. The Cayman Islands have St. Matthew's medical school that has an impressive 31.8% match rate. By the way the same company that is majority share holder of SGU bought prometric in 2018. Like being released into the ocean with weights to make sure you never see the sunlight on surface ever again.. sometimes we get away with mistakes (being poorly trained) but dont envy US. You were definitely paid for the above statement and doesnt look like you actually went to SGU like the rest of us. 4. If you rock the boat in US residency even if you are 100% right they threaten you and squeeze you and can make life miserable. Saba University offers an excellent education to American students looking for a path to medical school. I was wondering if you could give any information on that school if possible. These experts area of expertise is often a single lecture or less in the average medical school curriculum. Meanwhile, the cost of medical school has skyrocketed; the median student debt for the class of 2016 was a hundred and ninety thousand dollars. More money for the school etc. However, if you actually look at the faculty and their experience, the vast majority of them are highly qualified. Very easy to give up quickly if you are not motivated. Saba Medical School (Saba University School of Medicine) is located in The Bottom, Saba, in the Caribbean.This Caribbean medical school was founded in 1993 and has enrolled about 1500 MD students since that time. but I knew I was going to be there for less than 2 years and my desire to become a doctor was greater than the hassle of dealing with island inconveniences. I am one of the lucky few who actually passed the first two years of school in Grenada, at SGU. You cant take STEP 1 until youve passed it and you get three chances to pass it. No Dorms but non school tied dorm buildings can be rented in walking vicinity. I am still wavering on whether returning to school, leaving clinical practice, and incurring another mortgage sized student loan is the best decision. In summary, I tell them to be prepared to work HARD cos this isnt a walk in the park.. However, in the end it was all worth it. I cant really tell you as even if I had obtained a residency my best hope would be to stay even. I had a medical condition that required hospitalization. final, you got a Segundo and Regularizationa second or third try. Your anonymous and if you had those grades you could get into MD or DO school in USA. That core was my last rotation and I graduated. Remember, the MCAT is required for the May term! Compared to other schools I must say AUA does have good resources and facilities. ME?!? Saba medical school accepts about 95 students per year. Saba University School of Medicine was founded in 1992 with a bold vision: to establish an international alternative to U.S. and Canadian medical schools that would provide an excellent medical education and expansive career opportunities. Out of the 53,371 applicants in 2019, just 21,869 matriculated into an allopathic medical school. Do you really want to graduate from a medical school that accepts and passes everyone? Corporate medicine is here despite the thin legal vale to hide it. I feel burnt out and abused as a specialist. Dr. Stewart hi. To be an *excellent* Doctor, lawyer, businessman, entrepreneur you need to be a daily high performer. I rushed into it and wanted to get started ASAP and paid the price. Despite what sources say, it doesnt actually publish the average GPA or MCAT scores of its admitted students. There is no guarantee of anything in life (unless you are accepted into a US medical school then you are guaranteed 99% chance of graduation and a fast-track to a residency). Do your research before making a commitment to attend any for profit medical school. No consideration was given to the obstacles that I had to over come just to graduate undergrad, or that I finished top of my class in law school. Students who need extra academic help are assigned to a different cohort, so not all of the 1,000 or 900 or 500 or whatever is the number of students per term are mashed into a lecture hall. Id never be able to sleep at night were I at the helm of one of these schools. If the attrition rate is high in Caribbean schools is because they accept a way larger number of students, therefore the rate has to be higher. I mean Im currently living my dream. Hello, Would you mind elaborating how the Caribbean Med School system follows that of Germany or Switzerland or the UK? Ive heard so many disappointing stories from hard-working students, many of which participate in student government or other volunteer groups whose goal is to add value to SJSM and the students. Be one of those few students that stay at home with their head in the books while others go out. The reality is that some of you shouldnt be in medical school. I have taken step1 and I performed better than my 2 friends in the US and I also performed well above the US average. I dont recall many suicides. I need to be honest and say that Ive had a really hard time at SJSM. I have a dilemma that my dgtr who wants to become a dr is in 3 rd year and has low gpa of 3 and interested in Caribbean schools and wants to go there ASAP I wish i could say it wasnt true. i know SABA has an extremely small class size i have heard positive reviews on it and would love to know if you know of these schools rep or know anyone who went to them and their experiences. they are very competitive of course. There are lots of lawyer at USA for wrong thing so why there no lawyer for any kids and fix the system? Hi Dr. Wible, Everyone has different experiences about their transition at Caribbean medical schools. If you arent in SJSM I advise to get out. Do your own research, if thousands have come through the school and became doctors, why cant you? Sabas success is on par with U.S. medical schools, greater than most U.S. osteopathic schools and significantly greater than most International medical schools. I have no idea how theyll pass their medical boards unless the off shore program has figured a way around that too. My lawyer eventually I dont know anybody who has done both. Couple that with fewer subject requirements (most U.S. schools also ask for physics and calculus) and an unspecified MCAT score (and not even a mandatory MCAT in the case of international students), and its safe to say its definitely not that hard to get into. You might stand your mouth is open in surprise; while some people just say ah, its just the way how things are around here. So I went to graduate school to become an NP instead and so glad that I did after reading various information regarding Caribbean medical schools and even Us schools and not being able to match. I personally dont though Im sure they exist. The Carribean Medical Schools are businesses and intake more students than they can arrange rotations for. I am still dying. In the United States, more and more graduates are choosing specialtiescardiology, radiology, urologyover primary care, which pays less. I am a term four medical student, ignoring everything else (I choose to), I will say getting sick was what got me the most. 35-45 globally per USNews, 2018). When speaking to Washington I specifically said, Im not talking about the money, I want to take my exam Washington Department of Education Foreign Schools Team refused to discuss anything but federal finances. Im sorry, at the graduate level those days are over. Our class size was comfortable, not crowded, professors were generally great with few notable exceptions due to personality. We lose someone because pre-med and Biological science major was hard, there is nothing easy about the road to medicine. Do not overwork doctors. My advisor told me to just quit, it isnt for everybody and it only gets harder. (thank gawd I didnt listen to her.) This school sounds like it is SGU in Grenada. Much of what he wrote resonated with me, and while reading it, was thinking, yep, uh huh, saw that, experienced that. Other than those schools, along with AUC, I would not waist my time. Hi Kimberly, So here am I with no way to support myself after putting in all that effort (which given all youve heard plus while having a family). Hi, I would like to get in contact with you just to speak to you and ask you a couple of questions about attending medical school in the Caribbean, would that be possible by any change? You cant explain away a bad MCAT, grade, GPA, medical error. Medicine is a very special calling and Caribbean medical schools are one final chance for students to explore whether medicine is really their calling. search BS/MD programs. Do you know what you are facing? If things dont turn out the way you desired, life is full of opportunities, and the world is large, find your way again and if it makes you feel better, the whole journey you been going on it part of your destiny. Never learned anything in depth for long retention. I really dont see a problem with giving someone a chance to do what they really want in life. Susan Atchly was a very good friend of mine! During my gap year my daugther was killed in an accident. No shade. (3) Some of the claims that are made in this post are just flat out absurd and factually incorrect. Yes, I agree with you that Caribbean schools arent even half as good as the U.S counterparts but at the end of the day, you are responsible for your success regardless of what school you attend U.S or Caribbean. I was told that they are considering me for the CFP and MD programs. However, apparently there is an expiration date to those Bachelor degrees that I worked so hard for and paid so much money for. Why could they take my money each semester (which the schools loan company is after me for now) and they would not let me take my exam? Things all happen for a reason. You will make a good healer at whatever level you practice healthcare. View her TEDMED talk Why doctors kill themselves. You just have to put the hours in and learn it. So if youre still deciding what to do. You cannot rely on the school to prepare you for the USMLE. What helps is knowing yourself, for me that was knowing that after surviving a brief Boarding school experience and then High School, I could survive anything, even being a doctor if I get there. The school's website is available here. Here's what he says. At this stage, I was fully invested; I would die in the process, but I would not give up. I would still go back to med school if some things changed. There are people who want to be a doctor for the sake of becoming a doctor, and also some who need an MD for research jobs, medicolegal, Med School Professors, ETC.. I was not allowed to take my step 2 exam. If you get dismissed and you feel like you been doing well, look at the world and see if there is anywhere else where you can be taught medicine. No wonder why the attrition rate is so high, or why students turn to illicit or prescribed drugs to cope. This is a real school. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This is a heart-breaking and extremely enlightening, all wrapped into one. AUA is one of the big fours and this is how AUA works. Do not do not do not go to a foregien med school. Do these schools give kickbacks to hospitals in the States so that their students get experience and jobs? I withdrew from AUA my second semester this year,because I saw that many of my upper med friends were facing the harsh reality of what would become a broken dream and needless to say massive student loan debt. It is not my intention to sound like a d*%k. Many of them take up posts in consultoriosdoctor-and-nurse teams that live in the neighborhoods in which they practice. Especially with stats like 8000 applicants for 120 seats.Thats a joke,when a great number of those seats go to minorities .A student that is 24 or 25 years old doesnt have the time to wait year after year to get in hopefully. In the hardest of lessons are the seeds that will be the foundations for the rest of your lives. Does anyone see this as a call for help ? I also withdrew from AUA but I withdrew before the end of the first semester. Under the Volcano before you go. In the end I would recommend anyone to opt for a US/DO school, then to reapply, then to really be sure you want to be a doctor before going to these schools (AUC, SGU, Ross, AUA, Saba).
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